Re: Male Feminists and #HeForShe
Isn’t the entire point of the privileged speaking about oppression that the other privileged people are more likely to listen to them.
When did we stop wanting this?
Yes, privileged people are often times more likely to listen to someone else speaking about oppression if they look like them and have the same privileges. This somehow gives their opinions more “credibility”, which essentially means, “I don’t value the opinions or rights of people I see as less than me”. That doesn’t make it any less annoying. And no, this is not something we want. I don’t want you to respect my humanity just because someone else you think has more credibility than I do told you to. And that also doesn’t mean that privileged person deserve cookies and praise for essentially saying the same thing that oppressed people have been saying for centuries. I’m lookin’ at you Tim Wise…
It’s great when allies speak up and support marginalized people to encourage equality. But it’s important to speak up, not over. Uplift the voices of the people you aim to support so that other privileged people can hear them. It’s not about you. Too many “allies” forget this. And I think that’s the big issue with the #HeForShe campaign and people like Tim Wise. Don’t be Macklemore and hog the mic. Take the mic because you can, and then pass it to someone who’s more qualified to speak.
It’s not speaking over tho. No one is taking up any pre existing space. Emma Watson created a thing of her own to go along with everything else. I know you said you don’t want something like that. But what she’s trying to do is pretty similar to what you try to do on youtube in regards to racism. Getting the privileged groups to speak out because you know as many people wont listen to you.
I mean, to be honest. I’m not expecting much to come from heforshe. Just because I know these famous men aren’t going to keep it going longer than a quick fad. If it did stink around it wouldn’t end with men speaking. That’s just start people off.
As far as cookies. If I see someone speaking out about something I’m fine with a ‘cool glad to see you talking about this.’
Also, I totally get the mic thing. But Macklemore rereleasing Same Love to get it out to more people is more likely than not, the only reason Mary Lambert got popular or ever would have. (You know, cause music business is near impossible to make it in.) That’s pretty uplifting.
I can’t comment specifically on who is or isn’t speaking over others in the case of men coming out as feminists. I’m just co-signing what marinashutup said with regards to the dangers of feminist spaces being dominated by men and your question about privileged people speaking up for oppressed people. I didn’t say I don’t want the space that Emma has created. What I don’t want is (for example) a white person to listen just because another white person said they should because they devalue my opinion because I’m black. Great, they learned the message, but at the end of the day, they haven’t acknowledged the fact that their racism got in the way of them hearing it in the first place.
Reblogged from mach712
There’s nothing wrong with saying thank you to allies. But there’s a difference between saying thank you, and allies looking for praise rather than just doing the work because it’s the right thing to do. Hence, why I called out Tim Wise, who’s numerous times said that people of color should be more grateful because without him our concerns wouldn’t be heard. (I also included a link for reference) That’s shitty. Do the right thing cause it’s the right thing. Not because you want credit for doing the right thing. Big difference.
Yes, it’s great that Macklemore made “Same Love”. But I was bothered by how the song felt like, “People thought I was gay, though there’s nothing wrong with being gay, but I’m not gay, no really, I’m not, but there’s nothing wrong with being gay”. And then, when Macklemore received a VMA for Same Love, he spent his speech patting himself on the back and didn’t let Mary Lambert (who’s lesbian) say much of anything. So yeah, pass the mic.